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Trip to B&H to see the new Fuji GF670 ... Not!
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shiva das
2011-05-18 17:10:56 UTC
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I wanted to get my hands on the Fuji GF670 folding 6x6 / 6x7 120 film
camera to see what the excitement is all about. (photos of it are posted
here, more than available on Fuji's website:
<http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00OF7F>)

I also wanted to see how it fit my hands, how the rangefinder focusing
is, how heavy it is, how its meter reads out, and other standard
pre-purchase questions.

So I went to B&H to talk to their medium format people. In essence, this
is how the conversation went:

Me: I'd like to look at the Fuji GF670, please.
B&H Salesman: Umm, well, we do have it in stock, but I can't show it to
you.

Me: Hunh?
B&H: We don't have a demo camera. In fact I can't even call one up from
the warehouse unless you buy it first.

Me: WHAT?
B&H: I'm sorry, but I can't even show you the box unless you buy it
first. But you know, you can buy it and then you have 14 days to return
it.

So, I went to Customer Service.

Me: (Explanation of above)
B&H Customer Service: Yes, that's correct. You have to buy it, then you
can stand right here in front of me and test it.

Me: Umm, first of all, so we are both talking about the same thing,
you're saying I have to give you $1,662.00 + 8.375% sales tax first,
then I can look at it to see if I want to buy it??
B&H CS: Yes.

Me: OK, in the past when I have tried to avail myself of your 14-day
return policy the old guys in Returns would give me a terribly hard time
if a corner of one page of the instruction manual was torn, or if there
was a tiny dent in the box, or if anything sealed had been opened. So
you want me to risk in excess of $1,600.00 on the slim chance that you
will take it back -- this is an electro-mechanical camera so the first
thing I have to do is unseal and install the battery. The
non-rechargeable battery.
B&H CS: Yes.

Me: See ya.

So having invested who knows what in bringing out a new folding medium
format film camera, Fuji apparently isn't too concerned about actually
selling any of them.
Noons
2011-05-18 21:23:53 UTC
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Post by shiva das
So having invested who knows what in bringing out a new folding medium
format film camera, Fuji apparently isn't too concerned about actually
selling any of them.
Not sure if that is Fuji or B&H. I know that overseas shipping at B&H,
for example, is a total rip-off...
Alan Browne
2011-05-18 21:27:23 UTC
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Post by shiva das
I wanted to get my hands on the Fuji GF670 folding 6x6 / 6x7 120 film
camera to see what the excitement is all about. (photos of it are posted
<http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00OF7F>)
I also wanted to see how it fit my hands, how the rangefinder focusing
is, how heavy it is, how its meter reads out, and other standard
pre-purchase questions.
So I went to B&H to talk to their medium format people. In essence, this
Me: I'd like to look at the Fuji GF670, please.
B&H Salesman: Umm, well, we do have it in stock, but I can't show it to
you.
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Post by shiva das
So having invested who knows what in bringing out a new folding medium
format film camera, Fuji apparently isn't too concerned about actually
selling any of them.
Your story just shows that narrow application cameras like the GF670 are
not expected to sell in such quantities that demo models are made
available.

I don't think Fujifilm are to blame. B&H have to pay for the demo
model. I'd guess it would take about 10 sales to break even. They may
not be confident that there is such a market.

Contact Henry Posner, maybe he can find a way.
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Peter Lawrence
2011-06-07 04:05:56 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by shiva das
I wanted to get my hands on the Fuji GF670 folding 6x6 / 6x7 120 film
camera to see what the excitement is all about. (photos of it are posted
<http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00OF7F>)
I also wanted to see how it fit my hands, how the rangefinder focusing
is, how heavy it is, how its meter reads out, and other standard
pre-purchase questions.
So I went to B&H to talk to their medium format people. In essence, this
Me: I'd like to look at the Fuji GF670, please.
B&H Salesman: Umm, well, we do have it in stock, but I can't show it to
you.
<snipped>
Post by shiva das
So having invested who knows what in bringing out a new folding medium
format film camera, Fuji apparently isn't too concerned about actually
selling any of them.
Your story just shows that narrow application cameras like the GF670 are not
expected to sell in such quantities that demo models are made available.
I don't think Fujifilm are to blame. B&H have to pay for the demo model. I'd
guess it would take about 10 sales to break even. They may not be confident
that there is such a market.
It would take less than 10 sales to break even. B&H is probably making a
minimum of 25% profit on every one sold, maybe a profit as high as 50%.

Usually when a camera store has such a policy on a particular product, it is
because of very *high* demand for the product and very *short* supply of it.
So they don't want to squander one of the cameras shipped to them from the
manufacturer or distributor as a demo if they know that soon it will fly off
the shelf.

Once the supply of the camera increases (or the inventory of them at B&H
gets sufficiently large), I'm sure that B&H will break out a demo model for
their customers to see and touch.


- Peter
Alan Browne
2011-06-07 11:12:43 UTC
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Post by Alan Browne
Post by shiva das
I wanted to get my hands on the Fuji GF670 folding 6x6 / 6x7 120 film
camera to see what the excitement is all about. (photos of it are posted
<http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00OF7F>)
I also wanted to see how it fit my hands, how the rangefinder focusing
is, how heavy it is, how its meter reads out, and other standard
pre-purchase questions.
So I went to B&H to talk to their medium format people. In essence, this
Me: I'd like to look at the Fuji GF670, please.
B&H Salesman: Umm, well, we do have it in stock, but I can't show it to
you.
<snipped>
Post by shiva das
So having invested who knows what in bringing out a new folding medium
format film camera, Fuji apparently isn't too concerned about actually
selling any of them.
Your story just shows that narrow application cameras like the GF670 are not
expected to sell in such quantities that demo models are made available.
I don't think Fujifilm are to blame. B&H have to pay for the demo model. I'd
guess it would take about 10 sales to break even. They may not be confident
that there is such a market.
It would take less than 10 sales to break even. B&H is probably making a
minimum of 25% profit on every one sold, maybe a profit as high as 50%.
That's margin, not profit.
Usually when a camera store has such a policy on a particular product,
it is because of very *high* demand for the product and very *short*
supply of it. So they don't want to squander one of the cameras shipped
to them from the manufacturer or distributor as a demo if they know that
soon it will fly off the shelf.
They are not shy at all when it comes to marketing costs. Breaking out
a demo unit simply means they have a "store demo unit" to sell later.
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dadiOH
2011-05-19 12:35:26 UTC
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Post by shiva das
I wanted to get my hands on the Fuji GF670 folding 6x6 / 6x7 120 film
camera to see what the excitement is all about. (photos of it are
http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00OF7F)
Good grief, the Kodak Monitor has been revived :)
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Wolfgang Weisselberg
2011-05-24 09:33:30 UTC
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Post by shiva das
So having invested who knows what in bringing out a new folding medium
format film camera, Fuji apparently isn't too concerned about actually
selling any of them.
I guess B&H is the one at fault, not Fuji. B&H should unpack
one camera so customers can 'play' with it.

-Wolfgang
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