Q: cheapest develop-only rollfilm processing in southern Germany

Post by RolandRB
I am now based in southern Germany in Biberach an der Riss. I just got
a 120 roll of slide film developed (no prints - uncut) sent off from
the main photography shop in town and it cost me 7 Euros which is too
much for my liking. I can't get to Munich easily to benefit from using
Sauter so I am wondering what cheaper alternatives there are.

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.

You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

RolandRB

2009-06-28 15:15:36 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

It's E6 I need.

Alan Browne

2009-06-28 15:33:13 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

It's E6 I need.

You mentioned prints which are typically not delivered with E-6.

Otherwise, same reply as above.

RolandRB

2009-06-28 16:46:26 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

It's E6 I need.

You mentioned prints which are typically not delivered with E-6.
Otherwise, same reply as above.

I wrote "no prints" and also "slide film".

Alan Browne

2009-06-28 18:13:13 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

It's E6 I need.

You mentioned prints which are typically not delivered with E-6.
Otherwise, same reply as above.

I wrote "no prints" and also "slide film".

I see that - however - when somebody is discussing development and says
"no prints" it usually implies that he has de-selected prints from a
C-41 or B&W development (since E-6 does not come with prints). I did
not notice the "slide film" when I first read it.

NOW: In Ulm and Memmingen can you get E-6 done? That's really what
this is about, no?

RolandRB

2009-06-28 19:44:16 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

It's E6 I need.

You mentioned prints which are typically not delivered with E-6.
Otherwise, same reply as above.

I wrote "no prints" and also "slide film".

I see that - however - when somebody is discussing development and says
"no prints" it usually implies that he has de-selected prints from a
C-41 or B&W development (since E-6 does not come with prints). I did
not notice the "slide film" when I first read it.
NOW: In Ulm and Memmingen can you get E-6 done? That's really what
this is about, no?- Hide quoted text -
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They offer prints for E6 these days since they are scanned prints.

Ulm I can get to easily but do not know a place there where they can
do cheaper E6 processing.

Toni Nikkanen

2009-06-28 19:59:29 UTC

Post by RolandRB
They offer prints for E6 these days since they are scanned prints.

As are C41 prints. That's why talking about "print film" sounds weird
these days to me. When I want prints I choose film by its
characteristics (do I want the eye-popping colors of Velvia or not, etc..)
instead of whether it's "slide film" or "print film"..

Anyway... I was thinking that since there are places in Finland
that can do E-6 for 4-5 euror per roll and since everything up here
tends to cost more than in Germany, I would say it could be possible
that cheaper E-6 developing options COULD exist. If not, well,
doing E-6 at home isn't all that hard and the cost per rolls is a lot
less.

RolandRB

2009-06-29 01:49:10 UTC

Post by RolandRB
They offer prints for E6 these days since they are scanned prints.

As are C41 prints. That's why talking about "print film" sounds weird
these days to me. When I want prints I choose film by its
characteristics (do I want the eye-popping colors of Velvia or not, etc..)
instead of whether it's "slide film" or "print film"..
Anyway... I was thinking that since there are places in Finland
that can do E-6 for 4-5 euror per roll and since everything up here
tends to cost more than in Germany, I would say it could be possible
that cheaper E-6 developing options COULD exist. If not, well,
doing E-6 at home isn't all that hard and the cost per rolls is a lot
less.

How do i do e6 processing at home?

Toni Nikkanen

2009-06-29 05:26:59 UTC

Post by RolandRB
How do i do e6 processing at home?

Get a E-6 chemical kit by Tetenal, Kodak or some other company, and
the usual b&w development tools (tank, spirals, etc), a good
thermometer, something dark like a cloth film changing bag or the back
of your bathroom, follow instructions and there you go..

This is what I'd use, and don't get scared when they say "6 films",
that's an error on the fotoimpex.de side, it can actually do 12
according to the manufacturer:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwicklung/colortec-e6-kit-doserotation-3bad-f-1-liter-6-filme.html

If you find you like doing that a lot, then next time get this one:
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwicklung/colortec-e6-kit-doserotation-3bad-f-5l60-filme.html

The cost per roll is only slightly more than 1 euro then.

RolandRB

2009-06-29 07:48:53 UTC

Post by RolandRB
How do i do e6 processing at home?

Get a E-6 chemical kit by Tetenal, Kodak or some other company, and
the usual b&w development tools (tank, spirals, etc), a good
thermometer, something dark like a cloth film changing bag or the back
of your bathroom, follow instructions and there you go..
This is what I'd use, and don't get scared when they say "6 films",
that's an error on the fotoimpex.de side, it can actually do 12
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwic...
If you find you like doing that a lot, then next time get this one:http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwic...
The cost per roll is only slightly more than 1 euro then.

Thanks for the info. I was wondering, for Germany, about getting rid
of the used chemical solution. Is it allowed to pour it down the drain?

RolandRB

2009-07-31 05:30:58 UTC

Post by RolandRB
How do i do e6 processing at home?

Get a E-6 chemical kit by Tetenal, Kodak or some other company, and
the usual b&w development tools (tank, spirals, etc), a good
thermometer, something dark like a cloth film changing bag or the back
of your bathroom, follow instructions and there you go..
This is what I'd use, and don't get scared when they say "6 films",
that's an error on the fotoimpex.de side, it can actually do 12
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwic...
If you find you like doing that a lot, then next time get this one:http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwic...
The cost per roll is only slightly more than 1 euro then.

I don't have a darkroom to do this and from what I have read this is
not so easy.

Noons

2009-07-31 13:31:17 UTC

Post by RolandRB
How do i do e6 processing at home?

Get a E-6 chemical kit by Tetenal, Kodak or some other company, and
the usual b&w development tools (tank, spirals, etc), a good
thermometer, something dark like a cloth film changing bag or the back
of your bathroom, follow instructions and there you go..
This is what I'd use, and don't get scared when they say "6 films",
that's an error on the fotoimpex.de side, it can actually do 12
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwic...
If you find you like doing that a lot, then next time get this one:http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotochemie/farbchemie/e-6-dia-filmentwic...
The cost per roll is only slightly more than 1 euro then.

I don't have a darkroom to do this and from what I have read this is
not so easy.

Don't need one. And it is a lot easier than it sounds.

Ralf R. Radermacher

2009-07-31 20:00:23 UTC

Post by Noons
Don't need one. And it is a lot easier than it sounds.

You obviously don't know RRB. If something isn't diffcult, he'll *make*
it difficult. ;-)

Ralf

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Web : http://www.fotoralf.de

RolandRB

2009-08-01 05:27:27 UTC

Don't need one. And it is a lot easier than it sounds.

You obviously don't know RRB. If something isn't diffcult, he'll *make*
it difficult. ;-)
Ralf
--
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Blog :http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
Audio :http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
Web :http://www.fotoralf.de

I used to develop B&W before when I had the right space to do it in.
Colour is more bother and I don't have the time nor a suitable room to
do this in. I can't risk chemical spillages on the floor where I am
living. All considered, this is not an option for me. But somebody
kindly pointed out that Schlecker do dia (aka "slide", aka "color
reversal") film processing even though, when I asked in the local
branch, they said that they didn't. It should be a case of filling out
the envelope myself, sealing the film in the envelope and the rest
takes it course. I think it will be cheaper than € 7 a roll of 120 for
just developing and leaving uncut. If it's € 4 a roll or less then I
will be very happy.

RolandRB

2009-08-01 12:30:30 UTC

Don't need one. And it is a lot easier than it sounds.

Müller do it as well. I just used up a roll of Provia 100F and put it
in the envelope at Schlecker and I'll see what happens if and when it
comes back.

RolandRB

2009-08-11 14:03:39 UTC

Don't need one. And it is a lot easier than it sounds.

Müller do it as well. I just used up a roll of Provia 100F and put it
in the envelope at Schlecker and I'll see what happens if and when it
comes back.- Hide quoted text -
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At Müller it cost €2.95 to develop which is very good and it came back
in 7 days. I am still waiting for Schlecker to deliver after 10 days.

Noons

2009-08-01 11:24:31 UTC

Post by Noons
Don't need one. And it is a lot easier than it sounds.

You obviously don't know RRB. If something isn't diffcult, he'll *make*
it difficult. ;-)

LOL!
But really, it isn't. I used to develop in the bathroom, no problems at all.
Nowadays the laundry sink is even better: makes a dandy water jacket to keep
temps stable. The chemicals go on top of the washing machine next to it, so do
the timers and so on. A film changing bag and bingo: piece of cake. Not hard at
all, no need for a dedicated room.
Now, an enlarger, that would be a problem...

Alan Browne

2009-06-29 20:27:02 UTC

Post by RolandRB
They offer prints for E6 these days since they are scanned prints.

As are C41 prints. That's why talking about "print film" sounds weird
these days to me. When I want prints I choose film by its
characteristics (do I want the eye-popping colors of Velvia or not, etc..)
instead of whether it's "slide film" or "print film"..
Anyway... I was thinking that since there are places in Finland
that can do E-6 for 4-5 euror per roll and since everything up here
tends to cost more than in Germany, I would say it could be possible
that cheaper E-6 developing options COULD exist. If not, well,
doing E-6 at home isn't all that hard and the cost per rolls is a lot
less.

How do i do e6 processing at home?

With a lot of chemicals, technical obsession and care. I've looked at
this as an option and decided to pass. It may be right for you however.

It's not very different than B&W, except that temperatures need to be
maintained very narrowly and there are several more steps than in B&W
processing.

You can probably get your roll costs down to a Euro or 2 as long as you
have enough film to use the chemicals in a timely manner.

Toni Nikkanen

2009-06-30 16:12:55 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
It's not very different than B&W, except that temperatures need to be
maintained very narrowly and there are several more steps than in B&W
processing.

I've yet to do E-6 myself but the temperature shouldn't be harder than
C41, it's actually very easy to keep the temperature between 37.5-38.5C
in a kitchen sink filled with water. Basically you start developing
when it's cooled down to 38.5C and it won't have gone below 37.5C
when the 3-4 minutes developing time has completed.

Alan Browne

2009-06-30 18:32:21 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
It's not very different than B&W, except that temperatures need to be
maintained very narrowly and there are several more steps than in B&W
processing.

True, except if I understand it correctly you have to maintain that temp
for several of the initial chemicals, not just the first developer.
Overall a 30 minute or so process.

There are systems that you can buy to hold several tanks of chemicals
and keep them in a common water bath. There are even water mixers that
will mix a stream of hot and cold water to the required temperature in a
continuous flow assuring a constant and precise temperature.

I have no problem with the mechanics of execution and maintaining the
temperature, but I doubt that an economical amount of chemicals would
last long enough for me to use them all, consequently the cost would be
higher. I only shoot about 20 rolls of 120 per year. And I haven't
shot any this year, to date, so that statistic might change.

Matthew Winn

2009-07-01 19:00:13 UTC

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:12:55 +0300, Toni Nikkanen

Post by Toni Nikkanen
I've yet to do E-6 myself but the temperature shouldn't be harder than
C41, it's actually very easy to keep the temperature between 37.5-38.5C
in a kitchen sink filled with water. Basically you start developing
when it's cooled down to 38.5C and it won't have gone below 37.5C
when the 3-4 minutes developing time has completed.

It's a little harder than C41. There's less latitude with the
temperature, and you do need to know the actual temperature of
the developer in the tank instead of assuming that if you heat
the tank to X then it'll be roughly Y. But it's not difficult,
and the temperature is less critical once the development is over.

--
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Alan Browne

2009-06-29 20:26:14 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

It's E6 I need.

You mentioned prints which are typically not delivered with E-6.
Otherwise, same reply as above.

I wrote "no prints" and also "slide film".

I see that - however - when somebody is discussing development and says
"no prints" it usually implies that he has de-selected prints from a
C-41 or B&W development (since E-6 does not come with prints). I did
not notice the "slide film" when I first read it.
NOW: In Ulm and Memmingen can you get E-6 done? That's really what
this is about, no?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They offer prints for E6 these days since they are scanned prints.

Who cares? You're asking about development which is a pre-cursor to
printing regardless of how it's done (and for which there is an extra
charge, and for which in my experience here yields fairly poor quality
scans).

RolandRB

2009-06-29 07:53:47 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

I don't shoot enough medium format to justify a Sony A900 and besides,
I like to shoot with old cameras to compare their results. I have
quite a collection of old folders and I want to try each of them out
at least once. If I were serious about shooting medium format for
selling purposes and I was shooting enough then I would look long at
hard at getting a Sony A900. The lenses seem expensive though. What
existing lenses could be used on the camara using what sort of adapter
that are cheaper and of good enough quality?

Alan Browne

2009-06-29 20:27:45 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

I use my Hasselblad lenses on the A900 and of course my old Minolta
lenses and new Sony/Carl Zeiss lens (and looking to buy more as time
goes on).

Sites like fotodiox have a variety of adaptors for older lenses to new
DSLR's. The Sony A900 might not be the best option for you, Canon or
Nikon might open you up to more lens adaptor choices.

RolandRB

2009-06-30 04:27:31 UTC

Get a Sony a900. Add lens adaptor.
You should be able to find someone who does their own C-41 developing
without sending it out to another processor. Ulm or Memmingen perhaps?

I use my Hasselblad lenses on the A900 and of course my old Minolta
lenses and new Sony/Carl Zeiss lens (and looking to buy more as time
goes on).
Sites like fotodiox have a variety of adaptors for older lenses to new
DSLR's. The Sony A900 might not be the best option for you, Canon or
Nikon might open you up to more lens adaptor choices.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I have a number of Minolta AF lenses. Will they work properly on the
A900? I have read that for digital cameras it is best if the light
falling on the sensor does so in a perpendicular fashion and I am not
sure if my Minolta AF lenses would work well on this camera (assuming
it accepts the Minolta AF mount).

Alan Browne

2009-06-30 18:31:01 UTC